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Someone did day that particular music started in Paniolo. I believe it. They probably used it 10-15 times over the next season. It was during the Payoff episode that I decided to post about it.

There's another music clip that they use in the military themed episodes, like "Follow the White Brick Road". I'm pretty sure it was also in a Gilligan's Island episode or two.

On "The Gunrunner", Cunningham was definitely a licensed arms dealer. And I think it was even legal to sell it to the fake nation he was selling it to. But it was a controversial sale as you're picking a side in a local civil war. The kidnapping was set up to drive up the prices of the guns. Kind of dumb really, but that's dramatic license for you.


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John, I might need to check "The Gunrunner" again but my guess is that he was a legit weapons dealer, meaning he was allowed to buy and sell weapons. So I'm guessing he did have some sort of license.

Fred, I watched "Paniolo" and after the first commercial wave (when Danno is on the phone with McG from the Maui hotel) you hear that sound that you mentioned in "The Payoff" (the postcard transition scene). AKA the Gilligan's Island sound :) I think someone mentioned that this is the first episode where this sound is heard. Looking at the production number it looks like this was the second filmed episode of the season, so it definitely came before "The Payoff". Personally I don't know whether this sound was used anywhere in seasons 1 or 2.


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I have to agree with Fred on The Killer Bee. Will have to put it at the bottom of Season 2. What a depressing episode! There's nothing positive I could think about. That mother is cold and negative and kidnapping the boys was creepy. Sweet Terror is a FAV because Stauss is 1 of the best villains of the show. It's an intelligent plan to infect the sugar crop. I really enjoy All The King's Horses after every watch. So many interesting characters. Finney a little grouchy but he turned his life around. The hitman would be SOL today as many of these courthouses have metal detectors now to prevent a shooting like what was presented in All The King's Horses. My sister was always a fan of Forty Feet High...! An excellent WO FAT episode! The different Top 5 and Top 10's shows the depth of Season 2 Classic HFO. Mr. Mike and the HFO regulars maybe you know this answer. In The Gunrunner, the Ben Cunningham character was this arms dealer and his wife Claire is kidnapped. Would there be a special license or something a gun dealer would have? It's strange that a man would have an armada of different weapons to sell to other countries. This Ben's occupation didn't seem to faze HFO. Guess it's legal somehow. JC

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I have to agree with Fred on The Killer Bee. Will have to put it at the bottom of Season 2. What a depressing episode! There's nothing positive I could think about. That mother is cold and negative and kidnapping the boys was creepy. Sweet Terror is a FAV because Stauss is 1 of the best villains of the show. It's an intelligent plan to infect the sugar crop. I really enjoy All The King's Horses after every watch. So many interesting characters. Finney a little grouchy but he turned his life around. The hitman would be SOL today as many of these courthouses have metal detectors now to prevent a shooting like what was presented in All The King's Horses. My sister was always a fan of Forty Feet High...! An excellent WO FAT episode! The different Top 5 and Top 10's shows the depth of Season 2 Classic HFO. Mr. Mike and the HFO regulars maybe you know this answer. In The Gunrunner, the Ben Cunningham character was this arms dealer and his wife Claire is kidnapped. Would there be a special license or something a gun dealer would have? It's strange that a man would have an armada of different weapons to sell to other countries. This Ben's occupation didn't seem to faze HFO. Guess it's legal somehow. JC

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The Singapore File is great. McGarrett has to travel to unfriendly Singapore to rescue a key witness. He can't trust anyone like he can in Hawaii. Later, McGarrett almost shows that he's human, nearly succumbing to the female charms of Marj Dusay. I'm pretty sure I would have succumb. :) And you get the multiple suspect threat similar to "Murder on the Orient Express" on the ship. I would say the only drawback, and they are minor, is that they're always on Oahu. When Dusay is running down a block in Singapore, she's actually on King Street in Honolulu Chinatown, running past the Bank of Hawaii near Maunakea Street. And the final scene is at the famous Byodo-In monastery, opposite Honolulu on the north side (not the North Shore) of Oahu.

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Fred, I totally disagree that Killer Bee belongs in season 12. No way!! To me it's classic Five-O all the way! You say "psychotic mumbo jumbo" but that's a Five-O trademark - every psycho and serial killer story employed this type of mumbo jumbo. It's all about the execution, and personally I find Killer Bee VERY suspenseful and creepy. The kidnapping of those kids by George is disturbing. As are his constant attempts to drive poor Ted into deeper insanity. Ted is a very sympathetic character, his mother is a cold witch, and George is a complete psycho!! His Korean War secret that he's hiding is the real clincher though! You have to especially remember how relevant this must have been back in 1970, around the time of the Mai Lai massacre and other war atrocities.

Now, if you want to argue whether George's overly complicated plan to cover up his crime (i.e. putting Ted out of commission) is the most feasible course of action then I'll grant you that much. It seems like Ted is the only real threat for George. If that's the case then why not just run him over with a car or arrange some kind of accident for him? Surely that's more logical then systematically trying to drive him insane while placing yourself at risk each time you kidnap another child. But then the story wouldn't be nearly as fascinating would it? The creepy score during the child-napping scenes is by Richard Shores from "A Bullet for McGarrett" (when Farrar is hypnotizing Joyce).


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Killer Bee belongs in Season 12. Garbage, in my opinion. Psychotic mumbo jumbo. And not one psychotic character, but two. The script just doesn't do it for me.

I used to like Nightmare Road more, but Charles Aidman's performance wore on me over the years. And I thought it was lame that Theresa, an Asian beauty, is the niece of the English/German guy. Ringfire is right about the script though, it's a good one. Lots of intrigue and forethought.

But I like Steven's list! It's way different from mine and that's great, but it shows that Five-O has something for everyone.


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Yes I thought Lord's chemistry with Marj Dusay was fantastic in Singapore File. No one else ever came close! Compare with Diana Muldaur in Time and Memories - I dunno, she came across kinda icy and I just never really found her attractive. I never really bought into that whole romance.

Nightmare Road has a really cool scenario - setting up the scientist for a murder he didn't commit. I actually really dig that whole dilemma of him trying to decide whether he should he go with them to their country or turn himself in. His love for Teresa vs listening to common sense. I really dig the pile driver clue too! Just a great episode from beginning to end, never dull. Enemy agents, foreign submarines, top secret project, scientist in love, murder - what's not to love?? Plus you've got the very English Ronald Long hamming it up as Hans Kreuter (German?). Great stuff!

Oh, and so little love for Killer Bee!!


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My second season top ten: 10) Cry, Lie 9) The Devil and Mr. Frog 8) Nightmare Road 7) A Bullet for McGarrett 6) Singapore File 5) Three Dead Cows at Makapuu 4) Leopard on the Rock 3) Sweet Terror 2) Forty Feet High and it Kills! 1) A Thousand Pardons...You’re Dead!

"He died for trash like you! *Because* of trash like you!" I often look for reasons to quote that line but haven't been able to use it so that it "fits" the context. :D That and the "Ling Po" dialogue from "Draw Me a Killer."

Despite “A Thousand Pardons…” being my second favorite episode of all time, I am otherwise not much of a season two fan, though I have great affection for the two Wo Fat episodes and Sweet Terror and of course there are many fine moments spread throughout the season.


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RINGFIRE-I have The Singapore File as my #1 for Season 2 as well. It has a little of everything. I like when McG shoots the bald cop in Singapore and they don't know who to trust. They make a sexy couple too and have a great chemistry. I also like their windswept hair in the back of the trunk and the temple shootout. Agree on A Bullet for McGarrett. It's solid start to finish. That's nerve-racking when McG & Dr. Farrar fight it out and the lady cop shoots. I also enjoyed the diving board shooting quite inventive. Good acting Eric Braeden as Dr. Farrar. Nightmare Road would be near the bottom for me. It starts fast but then gets painted into a corner. The Dr.Scientist spends most of the last half of the episode debating whether to call the police or not. Just average fare. JC

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Ok, as promised, ranking all of season 2. My first 2 are pretty much a tie - you could flip them anytime.

1. The Singapore File 2. A Bullet for McGarrett 3. Blind Tiger 4. Nightmare Road 5. Killer Bee
6. A Thousand Pardons - You're Dead 7. Leopard on the Rock 8. Just Lucky, I Guess 9. Which Way Did They Go? 10. Sweet Terror
11. The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild 12. Forty Feet High and It Kills! 13. Cry, Lie 14. Most Likely to Murder 15. Run, Johnny, Run
16. Kiss the Queen Goodbye 17. King Kamehameha Blues 18. The One With the Gun 19. All the King's Horses 20. The Devil and Mr. Frog
21. Savage Sunday 22. Three Dead Cows at Makapuu 23. To Hell With Babe Ruth

P.S. I've come to peace with not understanding why Bullet for McGarrett doesn't get any love around here. :p I'll never understand it but it's cool. Likewise Nightmare Road is one of the very best espionage shows in my opinion but it doesn't get any love. Go figure...


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Nice list John. King's Horses is not a favorite of mine, but I like the rest.

Mr. Mike: Not wanting to cause problems, but as long as you have the ability to set up multiple discussion forums under the old format, how about setting up separate forums for the old and new Five-Os? :)


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I dunno...

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/08/18/features/five-0-redux/ despite-critics-caan-definitely-five-0-fan-favorite/


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Great Top 10 List Fred. So many great ones from Classic HFO Season 2. Will list a Top 5. 1.The Singapore Fire 2.All The King's Horses 3.Forty Feet High And It Kills! 4.Cry, Lie 5.Just Lucky, I Guess.JC

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Season 2 Top Ten:

1 - Just Lucky, I Guess
2 - The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild!
3 - The Singapore File
4 - The One with the Gun
5 - Which Way Did They Go?
6 - Kiss the Queen Goodbye
7 - Blind Tiger
8 - King Kamehameha Blues
9 - Cry Lie
10 - Most Likely to Murder


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Glad to oblige, Mr. Rick, Fred. Chicken always cooperate with the agencies a law enforcement.  

But Chicken still sore at McGarrett. I hate his livin insides. Indeed, I do

Ringfire - I'll stick around for them season 2 faves, bruddah.  Cause that Chahlee Bombay is a cancer that feeds on society - and your part a that society.  You think you can close your eyes to what he is and what he does?

Think Ole Chahlee give The Chicken a run fo' his money as all-time best Five-O villain. They shoulda brought Al back for a two-fer like The Chick.

Bombay All The Way!


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If Ringfire is going to list Season 2 favorites, I'll start it off by saying my 3 favorites are "Just Lucky, I Guess" (HEY LOO!), "Singapore File" and "The Joker is Wild, Man, Wild!". Those are the top three, but not necessarily in that order.

I'll work on a top ten as well and it will include some that Mr. Mike has down the list like "Kiss the Queen Goodbye".


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Hey Chick, how goes it bruddah? We was just rappin' bout you and here you show up, right as rain, baby! As Toshi (Al Harrington) said in The Box "how you know, brah??".

I'm about to rank all the season 2 episodes so stick around. You can bet Chah-lee Bombay won't be too far down the list. Because when people like you get involved, REALLY INVOLVED, wake up! The rats, the snakes, they're gone! All pau, bruddah!

So stick around, Loo. Hey listen, Loo! Listen, it's Chah-lee Bombay, Loo. Hey Loo!


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Good to see Big Chicken again. :)

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Chicken, it's good to see that you came down from the Little Jungle to talk to us voluntarily.

I wouldn't blame you for being sore with McG bustin' your lip and all ...and even after you gave him Annie, Danno's get-out-of-jail free card. Peace.


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Chicken, it's good to see that you came down from the Little Jungle to talk to us voluntarily.

I wouldn't blame you for being sore with McG bustin' your lip and all ...and even after you gave him Annie, Danno's get-out-of-jail free card. Peace.


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Hey Ringfire & Fred:  You wanna talk to Big Chicken - all you gotta do is ask. And here I am. 

Chicken couldn't miss no rap session bout the great inaugural first season. RingFire, many thanks for the shout out brudda!

Besides that foot chase at the conclude, "Not That Much Different" rates for Chicken due to some a the best McGarrett speecifyin a the whole series! Jus love Steve-O settin them condescendin peacenicks straight.  Thats right up there with McG's awesome oratin from 'Just Lucky.'

Chicken always dug "Blue Skies" too.  Tommy's Lounge Lizard/cat burglar a bit small fry for the Five-O, but that's why is so cool when Steve & the boys bring the hammer down on Joey's whole operation. Always dug hearin them Sands nightclub tunes when the ep came on the WOR Channel 9 in the NYC, back in the day, and watchin Kono overturn that niteclub table. Great insights on that ep, Rick. Right on, brudda, right on.

The trippin/psychedelia in "Up Tight" was make it so cool, Ringfire. Yeah, great, great score by Stevens.  Probably Ed Flanders flashiest Five-O role as groovy guru David Stone. A bit of an odd nemesis for ole Steve but great openin and conclude scenery on that Oahu Cliff

Lastly, here's Chicken's top S1 faves:

Painted Daisies
Deathwatch
Pray Love Remember
24 Karat Kill
Tiger by the Tail
The Box


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Five-O was already on ME-TV about 2 years back but then got taken off. Looks like it's back. I didn't bother with it because it aggravates me to no end when they go as far as to cut out the commercial waves (which add so much the show and are such an integral part of the suspense building) in order to squeeze in as much commercial time as possible. No thanks. I remember when I used to watch the show in the 90s and early 00s they used to leave the commercial wave in place, which is how I came to love the show in the first place. It's ridiculous what they're doing now.

Under that Five-O promo is a T.J. Hooker promo - also coming to ME-TV on Aug. 21. I own seasons 1 and 2 of that show. For the longest time that's all that was available. Sales weren't very good so they decided not to release the rest. But just recently some other company (my guess would be Shout Factory) released the entire series box set. I don't think I'll bother with it, even though seasons 3 and 4 were probably the best. James Darren joined the cast in season 3. But I see that many of them are available on dailymotion.


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Great Classic HFO talk. I agree with Fred and Steven on No Blue Skies. It is a very good episode. The truth is the singing numbers were catchy and who can forget the singer arriving on stage just in time. Mr. Mike, thanks for the ME-TV episode. They usually go from Season 1-7 and return to 1 again.

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Starting next week, Classic #H50 returns to ME-TV at 6 PM 5 Central running Monday-Friday starting with the pilot episode and it looks like using the DVD transfers.

https://youtu.be/xrpEuZle7Wc


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I'm happy to see the support for "No Blue Skies". Steven is absolutely right about the beginning scene where Tommy Sands is committing his crimes but gets back in the nick of time to do his set. Sands plays a lovable loser that just can't catch a break. It's appealing to me and the music is catchy. I may have over stretched myself by placing it number 1, but I'm okay with it being there.

I wouldn't place Up Tight as high as Steven, but like I said, the more I watch it, the better I like it. Ringfire is right about the trippy music and the father's pain/anger from losing his daughter is compelling.


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"Up Tight" at #1, eh? I remember the first time I saw it I thought it was a really weird episode. I mean it is pretty darn trippy!! But as someone already mentioned it is an episode that grows on you each time you watch it. That whole business at the hospital with all those hop-heads kinda freaked me out. Which of course was the point and it IS very effective. As is Morton's psychedelic score and all those swirling illusions from the POV of Brenda Scott and later Ed Flanders. Very good direction by Seymour Robbie (who also did the superb "The Box"). He's one of the few directors who never came back after season 1. The others being Herschel Daughterty (who gave us the stellar "Deathwatch" and "Yesterday Died"), Alvin Ganzer, Jack Shea (who did "King of the Hill"), and Michael Caffey.

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"No Blue Skies" has long been a S1 favorite of mine, and I rank it #5 for that season. Love the pre-credits bit of him burgling the hotel and then getting back in time to sing.

My top 10 for S1 looks like this: 10) Samurai 9) The Box 8) Six Kilos 7) And They Painted Daisies on his Coffin 6) Deathwatch 5) No Blue Skies 4) The Ways of Love 3) Once Upon a Time 2) Cocoon 1) Up Tight


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I've tried to talk up 'No Blue Skies' on this site before but it doesn't get much love. I wouldn't rank it the season's number one show, the plot is a little thin but it is a favorite of mine.

The cat burglar angle is a bit much but as a degenerate gambler Tommy Sands plays a very compelling loser lol! Anyway I dig the snappy dialogue he uses and that great scene as it's all crashing down on him at the end. One by one the Five-O team files into the lounge from all angles while 'Joey Rand' is on stage doing his act, singing and oblivious to what the viewer knows, which is that he just got his faithful attendant killed, his girl has flipped on him, and it's all over. Good stuff.


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Fred, I typically reply as Jerry Bay-Bee (no waaay bay-bee, but no waaaaaay!!) but I sure do miss our old friend Big Chicken from Seattle.

I agree that the foot chase across those jagged cliffs (at Kaena Point) at the end of "Not That Much Different" is nothing short of spectacular! Those stuntmen better have gotten a nice pay for that day. That was some truly hair-raising stuff there!

P.S. "No Blue Skies" starts out real cool with the cat burglar (accompanied by a Morton Stevens score which has a cool jazzy Henry Mancini vibe to it) and I expected it to be a caper-style episode a la "King Kamehameha Blues". Alas it never goes in that direction but instead goes into a more mundane direction of a lounge singer being in debt to some bad hombres. A bit of a yawner that.


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No Blue Skies is my favorite from Season 1. The list is in my favorite order. I will admit that my list probably changes. No more I see Up Tight, the more I like it. It used to be near the bottom. Now, it's in the middle.

I'm okay with Ringfire disrespecting my choices. We've gone over this before. We mostly agree that we disagree. :) But I wish he would have replied as Chicken rather than Joe Matsukino, although Matsukino is a cool cucumber. :)

Not That Much Different is on the bottom for me, although the foot chase scene at the end is one of the best in the entire series. Once Upon a Time is probably next. Ringfire and I agree on these being down on the lower 5.


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Hey Fred, in the words of the immortal Joe Matsukino... man, you fracture me with that No Blue Skies bit at #1. We both know that No Blue Skies split the scene a long time ago down to #23, baby. :D

Mr. Mike's reply: I don't think he means that it was #1 as in the best one, it is in the top ten (which are not in numerical order), that's all...


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I watched "Bones Of Contention" for the first time since the DVD came out tonight and the thing that struck me was exactly this point Mike points out in his review.

"Danno travels all the way to Paris Island, S.C. to interview Sgt.-Major Joseph Danvers (Joseph Monteleone), a soldier who was in Parmel's squad transporting the remains. For all the information that Danno gets, surely a phone call would have sufficed!"

Exactly! And considering that flying Danno all the way to the Atlantic coast and back would be a few days at least, it sure seems like less than a day has elapsed by the time Danno is back and he isn't suffering from jet-lag! Of course they did it this way to give us a great "scene" that would have been trickier to stage as a phone call no doubt but to me this was a case of a sloppy procedural point that sticks out on first viewing and not something that only occurs to you after the fact when it can be easily forgiven. And likewise, I was also incredulous that McGarrett needs to have Parmel pointed out when he should have his picture by now from his prison file!

I'll be more forgiving of the fact that this episode gets its history wrong when the Professor says the Japanese invasion of China took place in the "40s". It took place in 1937!


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My top 10 from Season 1:

1 - No Blue Skies
2 - Tiger by the Tail
3 - Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born
4 - Deathwatch
5 - .. And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin
6 - Full Fathom Five
7 - The Box
8 - Twenty-Four Carat Kill
9 - Strangers in Our Own Land
10 - Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember


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Coming up with top 5 isn't too difficult. Or the bottom 5 or so. It's the ones in the middle where it becomes cumbersome. Still, I thought I'd give it a shot. I might try the same with season 2.

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RINGFIRE
My FAV Classic HFO episodes Season 1 (1968-1969)are King Of The Hill and Yesterday Died. It would be difficult to rate the next 5 or 10. Samurai was very creative and entertaining. Full Fathom Five will be in my Top 5. Strong opening episode. I guess Ways Of Love would also be in the Top 5. An intense and gritty episode. I guess 1.King Of The Hill 2.Yesterday Died 3.Ways Of Love 4.Full Fathom Five 5.Samurai JC


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Ok, I'm gonna make the impossible possible by ranking all the season 1 episodes. Of course none of this is set in stone (with maybe the exception of the top 5) but as of right now this is what my season 1 ranking looks like. "Cocoon" is included as well.

1. The Box 2. Deathwatch 3. Yesterday Died and Tomorrow Won't Be Born 4. Tiger by the Tail 5. One for the Money
6. Full Fathom Five 7. King of the Hill 8. Cocoon 9. Strangers in Our Own Land 10. Six Kilos
11. And They Painted Daisies on His Coffin 12. Pray Love Remember, Pray Love Remember 13. The Ways of Love 14. Samurai 15. Twenty-Four Karat Kill
16. Along Came Joey 17. Up Tight 18. The Big Kahuna 19. By the Numbers 20. Face of the Dragon
21. Once Upon a Time 22. No Blue Skies 23. Not That Much Different


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ERIC-You brought up some good points. We have discussed The Case Against Philip Christie Season 11 on the forum before a few times. I would have voted NOT GUILTY if I was on the jury because I don't think they the prosecution proved Christie did it. McG does ask the judge through the back channels if they could see the Christie house and recreate the Philip party and Penny's murder. That's the Judge's fault. I think he was just as interested if Christie committed the crime or not. I like how McG & the jurors narrow the possible suspects through the testimony. Agree the Judge talks making the verdict about the evidence and testimony presented in Court. Say they didn't do the re-creation of the Penny murder...The lawyer could still appeal the verdict entering some of the PI's findings if Philip was found guilty. I think the forum was split on the episode. Some brought up the things you noticed. I liked the episode. JC

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I was watching "The Case Against Philip Christie" and as a "Five-O" episode it is ridiculous. What it really is, is a "Perry Mason" script shoehorned into "Five-O" and it is no coincidence that writer Seeleg Lester, was the producer of "Perry Mason" for two seasons and wrote 18 episodes.

1-McGarrett's whole demonstration bit at the climax where he is indeed acting like a defense attorney. That's Mason in all details.

2-The unprofessional moments of Danno and Duke snooping about during the case where McGarrett is on the jury? Classic "Paul Drake snoops about to find out more" scene.

3-The tag gives us Danno asking "How did you figure the killer would go along with the demonstration?" is straight out of the standard "Mason" tag scene wrapup where Della and Paul would always have one final "How could you be sure the murderer would....?" question for Perry to answer and sum things up.


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From Entertainment Weekly:

Anything on the Hawaii Five-0 team in season 8?

I hear there's going to be another new member of the team -- but it's definitely not who (or what!) you're expecting. "There is a story that's coming up, it actually was Alex O'Loughlin's idea," EP Peter Lenkov says. "I wanted to do a story where the victim left in the wake of a tragedy was a dog who lost its owner. It's a very emotional, really great story. It's a dog that's a drug sniffing service dog that McGarrett ends up adopting. It's a really emotional journey, but it was his idea to keep the dog, and I thought that was a great one."

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Not to be too cynical or anything, but this is horrible news. If I want to encounter stories about dogs, I can go on Facebook (which I went off some time ago). In the second-last season of the original Five-O, there was a "dog" story, The Bark and the Bite, which had to do with some rich woman's attempts to override Hawaii's strict quarantine laws about bringing pets to the islands (among other things). This is regarded by many as a real shark-jumping episode for the old series, even though I didn't think it was that bad the last time I viewed it, mainly because the actress playing the woman who owned the dog, Tricia O'Neil, was very hot. (No doubt exceptions will be made for the upcoming Five-Zero show for fans of O'Loughlin because they regard him as a hot guy, LOL.) There was also a "dog" story on The Streets of San Francisco, which I am currently doing anal-ysis for. It was the series' very last show. The plot line at IMDb says: "A cruise ship is docked in San Francisco. A known embezzler is aboard the ship and had hid the jewels on a dog collar." Barf!


Added: Thursday 10 August 2017 14:00:16 MST
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I really wonder if the 8th season will be the show's last. It now has all the hallmarks of it, including main cast members leaving, the addition of two new characters to abruptly replace them, and the promotion of recurring characters into starring cast.

On a side note, they kind of ruined the Kamekona character years ago. Meant to be the "semi-shady, street-wise operator who reluctantly helps the cops and acts as the show's comic relief", he's gone completely straight and now serves only as the comic relief. So he really doesn't have much to do, aside from sell shrimp and utter comic 1-liners.

The Hirsch character was brought in to be what Kamekona once was, but even he has gone straight. It's like the writers are afraid to associate with Five-Zero with any character who is unabashedly shady.

Anyway, back to my main point, the upcoming backstories of the two new Five-Zero members remind me all too much of the introduction of Kimo in Season 12. On the surface, the backstories and characters seem like they can be interesting, but it's kind of too late in the game for anyone to really care.


Added: Wednesday 09 August 2017 02:10:33 MST
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The whole business about Kono falling in love with Adam, son of a Yakuza crime boss, was absurd from the beginning, though it did briefly inject some much-needed sexual content into the show which has had a major lack of same despite the steamy tropical location and the presence of some actors who are regarded as "sexy" (Danno and Jerry need not be mentioned).

Do a Google search along the lines of "cops consorting with criminals" and you will see what I mean.

What was even more absurd was that McGarrett the boss (and his superiors) never made an issue out of Kono's relationship with Adam!

Now that Kono is gone, "[Ian Anthony] Dale [who] has recurred on HAWAII FIVE-0 as Adam Noshimuri since season two, becoming a trusted confidant and resource for the team ... will now be recruited by McGarrett to work for Five-0," according to a CBS press release.

Yeah, right, that is really a "safe" job!

Is Adam going to be given a badge too, like Jerry? And will other cast members who have now been promoted to "starring cast members" -- Taylor Wily (Kamekona), Kimee Balmilero (Noelani, the medical examiner who replaced Max) and Dennis Chun (Duke Lukela, who should have been promoted not only as a cast member, but to being a member of Five-Zero a long time ago) -- also get badges?

Maybe Five-Zero can also recruit Danno's daughter Gracie to go undercover at the local high school to investigate dope pushing or something equally sinister!


Added: Tuesday 08 August 2017 07:40:50 MST
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We now have a list of the three "new" full time cast members of Five-Zero. Two are brand new, and the third is the actor playing Adam Noshimuri, who is now promoted to a full time cast member, and will be a member of Five-Zero.

Okay.

Omitted from this announcement is what will happen to Chin and Kono's characters. Killed off? Explained away as having moved to another locale (thus at least opening the door for their possible return?)

How is Adam supposed to go on as a regular cast member without his beloved wife? Or is he going to join Five-Zero because she got killed somehow?

Recall that the original show left no explanation for the departure of cast members, aside from Kam Fong, who actually requested to be killed off at the end of Season 10.

However, it's hard to believe that the new version of the show will do this, especially given all the time they spend on character issues in each episode.


Added: Tuesday 08 August 2017 01:07:48 MST
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"This is Jack Lord, inviting you to be with us next week for... The Second Shot, by Eric Bercovici..."

This was the unique intro to one of my favorites from season 3. It's unique because it's the only intro by Jack where he mentions the writer's name. He never did it before or after. And he never mentioned the director's name that I can recall, which one would expect more than the writer's name. While the writer writes the script ultimately it's the director who lends his vision to what the episode will look like and is most responsible for the finished product. I'd have expected "The Second Shot, by Michael O'Herlihy". Anyway I thought this was interesting and worth pointing out here.

I believe someone here recently mentioned Jack's intros and how they became lazier and less descriptive as the show went on. This is true. Later in the series he would just say "join us next week for..." and then we would just see clips from the episode. In the earlier seasons (especially 2 and 3) Jack would very enthusiastically (and dramatically) describe what the story was about as well as mention the guest stars and the characters they would play. I really enjoyed that! Like I said, he even mentions the writer (in addition to the guest stars) in "The Second Shot". A rarity!


Added: Monday 07 August 2017 08:32:33 MST
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During the last year, I've been watching Seasons 8,9,10. There were some episodes I had never seen before. The Defector & Honor Is An Unmarked Grave are 2 episodes I have now seen. There has been some good conversation on The Payoff and To Kill Or Be Killed. I decided to go back and look at an early season...This time Season 3. I think Season 3 is my FAV season. To Kill Or Be Killed is even better than I remembered. It is a very emotional episode as General Rigney has a dead officer son and another suspected of his death. I stayed up past 2AM to watch The Gunrunner. It was 1 of my least FAV episodes for awhile because of the confusing nature of the guns and things. This time around, it made more sense. For some reason, I missed the part when the spy inside the Consulate talks with the group holding Claire about the shipment of weapons at Pier 39. Now it makes sense why they were at the pier and how they knew to go there. On Dear Enemy:I think most Classic HFO fans and those here on the forum give Dear Enemy low marks. There's plenty of unanswered questions: Why would Lockwood set up his friend the Senator for the murder? At the end, is the man released from prison with HFO's new evidence and Lockwood captured? I did enjoy the rotted out steps scene as it was a perfect staging murder. I'll have to explore more Season 3 episodes. We talked about this on the forum before but my FAV Seasons would go: Season 3,6,1,9 would be my Top 4. JC

Added: Sunday 06 August 2017 11:40:53 MST
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I almost agree with Ringfire on the best and worse of Season 3. "Over 50?...Steal" is the best and I go with "Dear Enemy" as the worse. It's a strong season with many very good episodes.

"The Payoff" is probably in my top 20 from the series. The sad music that follows Jase is perfect for his sad life. My biggest problem with the episode, as said a couple of weeks back, is why does Vince and Madge bring all the ransom cash with them to Hawaii? They had no intention of spending it. They're stil waiting for it to cool off. Don't they have a good enough hiding place back home like a safe deposit box? Or do they take it with them wherever they go? The dissolving postcard is done very nicely. Obviously, the postcard is a fake, made up for the show from a still frame from the movie film that it got dissolved into. I dismiss the chance meeting of Vince and Jase as dramatic license.

"10,000 Diamonds and a Heart" is also in my top 20 along with Over 50.


Added: Sunday 06 August 2017 09:39:44 MST
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John, I see a lot of "Payoff" talk and it seems to be a fan favorite. I like it just fine but I guess I never saw it as some kind of classic. I easily prefer "Beautiful Screamer" before it and "The Double Wall" after it. I agree that for the most part the script is pretty tight and I agree with Mike that "not a syllable is wasted". I especially dig McGarrett's comment about the found money "I think it might be running a temperature". The photography is good, especially the hotel postcard dissolve (along with Fred's music during that sequence ;)). Albert Salmi is a heavy I always liked. Madlyn Rhue as Madge also has a unique look to her. She's kinda sexy but in a weird sort of way. She has strange facial features, especially the nose. I agree with some of the problems you mentioned. Vince and Madge running into Jase is a bit far-fetched (though not completely out of the realm of possibility) but my bigger problem is what are Vince and Madge doing in Hawaii to begin with? They double-crossed him and Madge used him, and they know he used to live in Hawaii so it's a good bet that after the double cross in Seattle he left for Hawaii. So what do they do?? They go to Hawaii. That doesn't make any sense. You'd think they would want to avoid Jase and Lew and Toomey and wouldn't want to be anywhere where they could stumble into any of them. Vince tells Jase that it was cold in Seattle so he decided to head for Hawaii, and that he stumbled onto him purely by accident and that he had forgotten that he used to live here. Not very likely that you'd forget something like that. You either know a guy is from somewhere or you don't. You don't forget. Not when it's a guy that you double-crossed. So when you and your girl decide to go to some tropical paradise it definitely shouldn't be Hawaii. Jase should be the first thing you think of when you think Hawaii. Just like Lew and Toomey when you think of Seattle. Then there's the whole business with Vince leaving Jase alive after shooting him. This happens a lot in shows like this. Killer fires one or two shots and just assumes the guy is dead. Doesn't check or fire additional shots for extra measure. Oh well, then there would be no story I guess.

Added: Saturday 05 August 2017 23:50:16 MST
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On The Payoff: Most of my slight nits with The Payoff are early on. What are the odds Vince & Madge on a Hawaiian vacation would see Jase in the street at that moment? Probably 5 or 10 million to 1. Vince's shooting of Jase in the fleabag hotel also was not done with competency or precision. A better idea might have Jase riding around with Vance & Madge to a few different shops and places. Vance killing Jase at another location and planting the money in Jase's place later. HFO would have had a more difficult time solving it.
I enjoyed The Payoff after Jase was shot by Vince. Excellent acting all around by Lila his girlfriend and Jase himself. A bloody Jase wills himself to stay alive long enough to call Toomey & Lew. My guess the writers made the right decision to keep Jase alive long enough to get Toomey & Lew involved. Mr. Mike was right about not a syllable wasted in the tight script. Loved when the postcard disappeared into the building. Probably 4.5 stars or 5 stars out of 6 for this episode The Payoff. JC


Added: Saturday 05 August 2017 17:58:38 MST
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