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Friday's show was a joke starting with the heat wave that hit the Honolulu area. Temps getting up to as high as 109 degrees? Really? Those script writers continue to create the most illogical and absurd episodes that are unrivaled on television for a show that somehow has lasted now into its 9th year.

I went to the weather channel site intent on looking up all-time record temperatures in Honolulu. Never has it come close to the 109 degree level that was seen in Friday's show. I've been to Hawaii 6 times in my life. Yes, the dew point/humidity level is high daily and often it does feel tropical. But the temps in the day usually are in the upper 80s/lower 90s at best. It's a little cooler in the winter months, that is if you can consider 84/85 to be cool, though again the humidity is always high.

Here are some things that I would have liked to have seen in Friday's episode:

1). A kick-ass martial arts fight between that nasty female escaped felon who killed two city of Honolulu police officers, (also seriously maiming two other characters) and McGarrett/Danno, (although the latter would have been useless) near the end of the episode. It would have been similar to the fight seen in the season opening "Cocoon" episode when McGarrett and Danno met up with that Chinese agent in Hennessey's apartment. Both McGarrett and Danno were getting their asses kicked. McGarrett had to shoot the Chinese guy dead in order to survive. It might have ended up being the same result in Friday's episode, it being necessary for the woman to have been shot dead by one of the two. That one cop took a serious butt whipping going up against the lethal martial arts' moves that the woman put on display before she took his gun and shot him twice - in the chest and head.

It's just that later the same young woman, trapped in the elevator and then dying of heat stroke all because of the brutal temps was such a letdown considering the buildup of how bad-ass she was throughout the episode. Although at the time it was impossible to make a connection the old woman in the lobby several times having to remark to McGarrett and Danno that the elevator had stopped working due to heat ended up being important. The female felon was dead inside the elevator although, of course being unable to open the door McGarrett and Danno had no clue of this woman's whereabouts.

2). Grover playing 18 holes of golf in that absurdly hot weather should have had him passed out on the 11th hole, and if anything in the emergency room of a local hospital, that or dead. Grover vastly overweight is not exactly in top physical shape, nor was he filmed once hydrating himself properly with liquids. He also carried his own bag throughout the entire round, walking the course and not using a golf cart. As a matter of fact a man his age and body mass could have dropped dead of a coronary on the course in that heat. And then making a downhill 70 ft putt, with a large break, (at least 6 ft. right to left according to Grover) to enable him to shoot 72 for his round, even par was ridiculous. The odds of even a top 5 ranked pro on the PGA tour making that length of putt with a break to it are about 1%. That entire storyline involving Grover as written by the crack H 5-0 script staff was borderline asinine.

3). Finally, please get it over with. It's plain as day that Tani and Junior like each other romantically. Start the relationship. The scene near the end when the two go swimming and end up staring at each other, Tani coming closer to Junior in the water with this look etched on her face should have ended up with the two kissing and of the French variety. Even with that rain suddenly appearing and that stupid "Singing in the Rain" song heard in the background the scene should have ended up with Tani and Junior exchanging tongues.

Danno in the episode last season when he got shot while, along with the others, quarantined in that isolation ward fantasized as he hung between life and death of a future when Tani and Junior were married and she was the head of the 5-0 task force.


Added: October 14 2018 08:55:13 AM
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Friday's show (S09E03) reviewed, this review is a bit different than normal... ;)

http://www.fiveohomepage.com/2010-log9.htm#3


Added: October 14 2018 06:45:05 AM
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G Atkinson, just so you know, this site is not connected with the production of the show, so it cannot "get it back on track." I would suggest you contact either @PLenkov or @H50_Writers on Twitter.

Added: October 13 2018 10:00:34 PM
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The Friday October 12th episode was the most ridiculous that I have every seen. The frivulous story line deviated from the quality of any I have ever seen. Please tell me that you will get back on track. Some humor and good nature ribbing is fine, but when more than 50% occupies the storyline I, and I am sure many others, will something more interesting for entertainment.

Added: October 13 2018 07:12:38 PM
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John, it also doesn’t help that immediately after the accomplice in the hospital is shot (in Death With Father) it immediately cuts to Tom Morgan hopping on a motorcycle (with his girlfriend on it already) and quickly riding away. That’s why I always assumed that he stopped by the hospital with his girlfriend, went inside, killed his accomplice, then went out, hopped on his bike, and scurried away. It’s also pretty dark in the room where the guy gets shot and the killer’s face is mostly in the shadows so if you don’t pay close attention you might confuse the Oriental killer with Tom. Both have similar length hair and are about the same age.

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Bobbi
You bring up a good topic about the King's cape. My guess is in the Season 2 Classic HFO episode there was more HFO Team involvement since it was the 1st time the cape was stolen. Also, the King's cape important part of Hawaiian history and the Hawaiian people were not happy about it being stolen. The young college students painted themselves in a corner because once they captured the cape...There wasn't much they could do with it. I agree that the 2nd time the cape was stolen McG wasn't as adamant taking the case. More of a HPD matter he stated in Practical Jokes. It's possible like the 1st time he realized the cape would turn up. Ringfire-That' s a good catch in Death With Father. I assumed Morgan the bright young chemistry student killed the man in the hospital. It's amazing what you catch in the DVD's or a repeated airing. JC


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In last night's show, Jerry is seen taking stuff out of this fridge. It seems to be a VERY large fridge (i.e., an expensive one). Is this fridge in Jerry's house? I thought Jerry lived kind of a spartan existence.

Added: October 13 2018 02:06:39 PM
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Does anyone know who sang the classic Bob Marley song “Three Little Birds” in Season 9 episode 3 last night?

Added: October 13 2018 07:08:27 AM
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Well that was pretty intense. The main crime was not even the focus and we have to focus on Grover being a jerk, Tani and Junior going after a stolen car after failing to lock it, Jerry helping a man who wanted ice to cool his pregnant wife and Kamekona raising the price which got there trailer trashed. None of these minor plots has anything to do with the crime of the week.

Although the main story is simple, a bank robber under a fake name goes crazy when some repair man crook stole her money, beats the manager up, kills 2 cops, stole a motorcycle and goes after the repair man. She knocks him almost dead and intent to escape in the elevator but the power went out and died heat and no air. However she killed 2 cops, she stole a motorcycle, you'll think she'll be hunted with thousands of cops on her ass and manage to track her to the hotel already? How did he know where the repair man is? No cops bothers to patrol the streets to find a stolen motorcycle outside and end the case already?

And the ending was sappy but that is this reboot for you.

At least Danno and Steve don't bicker so much and made them more focus on the case.


Added: October 12 2018 08:15:01 PM
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Please, God, make Scott Caan cut that hair short. Even his dad called him, "haircut!"

Added: October 12 2018 06:27:57 PM
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Thanks for the clarification on Duke, Ringfire - it's greatly appreciated.

I know the cloak discrepancy is from the writer's corner, just pondering at an angle inside the Five-O-verse as it were. :)


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Bobbi, yep Duke was channeling his inner Jack Lord in that episode, screaming at the poor hapless HPD cop. The HPD cop said he thought the assassin/doctor was already cleared earlier, at which point Duke yells “YOU THOUGHT WROOOONG!!!!” :D almost slamming his fist against something. Mike points out that Duke seems particularly involved and hot-under-the-collar in this episode. Maybe Duke was trying to show the guys that he was ready for Five-O, ready to step up :)

As for the Kamehameha cloak episodes I leave it up to writer discrepancies. It’s not like it’s the same writer writing the entire series, all the episodes. The earlier one was written by Robert Hamner (who also wrote Most Likely to Murder) while the later one was penned by Bill Stratton (who wrote a bunch of episodes).


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Just scanned through The King Kamehameha Blues (I'm researching certain things at this point). Anyway, this pertains to the heist of the King's cloak and how Five-O is involved from the word go.

Anytime I watch this one, I can't help but think of Practical Jokes Can Kill You - it also pertains to the cloak being stolen.

The difference is McGarrett's attitude: in the first episode, it's Five-O business but the second one, he considers it a matter for HPD. Mr. Mike points this out in his review of Practical Jokes, by the way.

I wonder if the reason for the inconsistency is that at the conclusion of the first case there was an after-action meeting -- in their universe, of course because we don't see anything on camera -- where HPD and Five-O concluded it should have fallen into the purview of HPD. After-action items come up all the time as a result of military exercises and everyone goes over what can be done better the next time. In this case, solving the case of the missing King's cloak.

Considering the significance of the cloak, it makes sense that it falls into Five-O's lap but who knows. Anyway, just throwing it out there as to why the shift in attitude. I get it that it's all fiction and somebody wrote it into the script. But still, something to ponder.


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Ringfire - is that where Duke chews out the HPD guard after the guy is shot? I remember a scene where Duke is just ripping into an HPD officer and it takes place in a hospital - it may be from that episode. Shocked me when I first saw it. Just shows how seriously Duke takes his job.

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Wow, just discovered something! Just rewatched “Death With Father” and noticed that the drug-making accomplice who is shot dead with a silencer in the hospital is shot by some Oriental looking dude wearing a doctor’s white coat. All this time I always thought it was Tom Morgan (Peter Strauss) who shot his accomplice to keep him quiet. So who is this Oriental guy? We never see him again. I guess the only explanation is that he’s working for the drug kingpins Kwan Hi Lim and Seth Sakai? Funny how one misses something like this on repeat viewings.

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Aha, I see. Just that for me those 3 immediately stick out, being major Bond villains and all. No biggie, all good :)

Added: October 11 2018 12:44:07 PM
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Can’t believe they mentioned the Five-O episodes with Luciana Paluzzi, Maud Adams, Soon Teck-Oh but forgot the ones...//

Why do you assume I forgot? The post mentioned other shows besides Five-O. There isn't room for *everything*. It's a blog post, not a book.


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Can’t believe they mentioned the Five-O episodes with Luciana Paluzzi, Maud Adams, Soon Teck-Oh but forgot the ones with 3 major Bond villains Yaphet Kotto, Christopher Walken, and Donald Pleasence. All 3 of those make my top 5 Bond villains list.

1. Christopher Walken
2. Donald Pleasence
3. Sean Bean
4. Yaphet Kotto
5. Michael Lonsdale


Added: October 11 2018 09:41:21 AM
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Long-time H50 fan Bill Koenig has passed along some interesting links from his blog:

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2018/10/09/1960s-meme-the-irresistible-hero/

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2018/10/01/less-obvious-ways-of-celebrating-global-james-bond-day/

https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2018/09/28/hawaii-five-0-presents-a-hyper-remake-of-original-pilot/


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Ringfire, if I wait another 20+ years to watch SOSF again like I have done with H50 recently, maybe I will change my mind about some of those episodes too. In fact, if I watched them again now, not even a year after doing them, I would probably change some ratings.

You might be interested to know that 20 years ago, the earliest I can find when there were star ratings on my site, that both Samurai and The Big Kahuna had only >one< star. This time I was tempted to drop Samurai to 1½ because this show is stupid on so many levels, though at least I think I figured out what the whole assassination business with Tokura is all about.

You can check really old star ratings by going to www.archive.org and searching for http://www.mjq.net/fiveo ... or more recent ratings by just searching for www.fiveohomepage.com

As far as current ratings are concerned, I have put these on hold for a while. Maybe this will encourage people to actually discuss the show and what I wrote about it.

Concerning the episodes where you were dissatisfied about the ratings, while I realize you are primarily bringing them up because you want to compare them to certain SOSF episodes, 3 of the 6 have exactly the same rating as before.

[new rating/old rating]
“The Box” 3.5 / 3.5
“Deathwatch” 3.5 / 3.5
“Tiger By the Tail” 3.0 / 3.5
“One for the Money” 2.5 / 3.0 [20 years ago, this was rated 2]
“Full Fathom Five” 3.0 / 3.0
“Daisies” 3.5 / 4.0

On IMDB, the highest-rated SOSF show there is currently S03E19: The Programming of Charlie Blake, which I gave 1.5 stars to because of its stupid ending!


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WHAT?!? Lenkov was approached about writing a Five-O movie 25 years ago?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Box5hNJn0SI


Added: October 10 2018 10:37:26 PM
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Wow Mike, I can’t believe that you now have only one single 4-star episode for season 1, after your re-analysis. Before you had a handful of 4-star episodes. To compare this to SOSF (a show you don’t like nearly as much as Five-O) you seemed to hand out 4 stars more freely to that show. No way would I ever place “The Takers” or “Before I Die” above “The Box” or “Deathwatch” or “Tiger By the Tail” or “One for the Money” or “Full Fathom Five” or heck probably half of the first season.

I was particularly surprised that you lowered “Daisies” from 4 stars. As far as police procedurals go (and especially your attention to police accuracy) this one is about as accurate as any Five-O episode. In fact the episode almost feels like DRAGNET in its adherence to police procedure. Thought that would be right up your alley. Personally I prefer “The Box” as it’s a more tense and exciting entry. But I thought “Daisies” would be more up your alley.

Also I thought “Pray Love” was a big drop off for you but I see that it’s back up again, though not at 4 stars.


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Actually, for my last review, I should have just run my notes, LOL:

http://fiveohomepage.com/2010-season9/s09e02.pdf


Added: October 10 2018 05:28:46 PM
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S09E02 (Friday's show) reviewed:

http://www.fiveohomepage.com/2010-log9.htm#2


Added: October 08 2018 04:10:31 PM
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Nicholas Colasanto (Coach Ernie Pantusso on CHEERS) had a good batting average directing Five-O... 3-1. Three classics (Pardons, Just Lucky, Most Likely to Murder) and 1 turkey (Babe Ruth). But even this turkey is edible compared to something totally rancid from season 12 like Moroville Covenant. Yuck!

Added: October 08 2018 09:30:41 AM
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Yes, it is too bad that tire tread business was introduced without any logical explanation like I suggested. This show has a dynamite script, great acting and an Emmy-award-winning score which I included in its entirety with my review. It was well directed by Nicholas Colasanto, the same guy who did the next show, one of the all time turkeys!

Speaking of "mistakes which influence the rest of the show," how about the most recent episode of Five-Zero which I cannot be bothered to review yet.

A guy who is in the employee of the Chinese pretending to be a US federal agent grabs this other guy who is a double agent the Chinese want to talk to, torture, etc. ... this is on a plane, you realize. He straps himself together with the double agent and, opening the door on the plane, jumps out as the plane is approaching Honolulu International Airport.

There is only one thing that is really stupid here. When we see this, the plane is descending towards the airport OVER THE WATER. Yet these two guys end up in "THE JUNGLE," which is pretty funny, considering places where you might land by parachute on Oahu have always struck me as relatively close to "CIVILIZATION" in some way no matter where you are, as can be seen by the fact that Danno and Tani and Junior, who are sent out to find these two guys, are not using satellite phones, but their regular cel phones, duh!


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Mr. Mike - watched A Thousand Pardons -- You're Dead! again - although it was a pretty fast run through.

I know I'm late again, but I would like to add about the tire tread - that is one big chunk off the tire and agree it doesn't make sense. If we are to assume he drove the jeep base to post, which is highly unlikely, it would probably be in the Motor Pool garage for awhile because the entire wheel would need to be replaced. I had it happen to me in a private vehicle - it sucked -- and don't ask. :D

We see the jeep later when Simms drives to Yoko's apartment - it's fine and that's a fast turnaround and trust me, Motor Pool's don't move that fast.

A cast would have made more sense if there was not a lot of traffic in the area of Diamond Head Tunnel before the body was found.

And yes, this was not a small plot point either - it was huge in pointing McGarrett toward Simms.

Still, I liked the episode as it also gave us some depth of character for our Five-O team members.


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Episode 2 was ok, don't see so much logic fallacy but still wonder why they did not make Wo Fat an Chinese agent at the beginning if they are going to do a Chinese spy network right now or how will they resolve the international issue with them or how will they explain the whole crash thing outside the Chinese embassy.

Ans yes, Danno and Steve bickering is so damn old already.


Added: October 06 2018 02:10:06 PM
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As far as the reboot "banter," I'd like to share my 2 cents.

I get that the dynamics between the characters are radically different when compared to the original simply because of the age differences - the dynamics are going to be different naturally.

What I think started as a running gag, which should have been short-lived, has turned into a monster all its own. What little I have seen of the 'arguments' in the reboot between Steve and Danny are forced - like they're trying to be funny (what few I've seen) but they aren't. The original suffered from this as well in the later seasons, by the way.

Which now leads to another off-the-wall question: If Steve and Danny bicker this much, how do they expect to run a restaurant together? Doesn't work and that may be why this 'running gag' makes people crazy. (I know not everybody, just a bunch of us).


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The banter in the scripts keeps increasing, & getting dumber & dumber in each suceeding episode.

Added: October 06 2018 04:30:47 AM
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Mike, imagine if you did have the power to write Caan out of the show. Just think about all the changes you would have done to improve the show. Everything short of raising Jack Lord from the grave. :)

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Carol, this forum and this web site has nothing to do with the production of the show. I suggest you contact Peter Lenkov, the executive producer, via @PLenkov on Twitter...

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Hello Enjoy watching Hawaii 50 but get so sick of listening to Danny - Scott Caan arguing all the time. Please consider writing him out of the show. thank you

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Mr. Mike. You have a strong list of the worst Classic HFO episodes. When Does A War End? Top 5. Muromoto was very bland and not a very dynamic character. Ending of When Does A War End? 1 of the worst. Barker crouching in a soldier's uniform and McG and Danno cutting through wire fence. Dear Enemy probably Top 5 wasting Vera Miles and Gary Collins in a forgettable script. The Short Walk On A Longshore equally bad with McG going undercover not telling anyone. The ending was just tacked on and not a very good story. The Kahuna Season 12 was also 1 of the worst. Voice Of Terror with Karl yelling is up there. There's probably a few others that the Classic HFO forum regulars will add. In more pleasant didcussion, I moved Murder--Eyes Only to 1 of the few 6 stars ranking. It's outstanding photography and scenery and an excellent story tipped the scale. Also, Wo Fat appears a few times. Watching it again, I now understand how they rescued Mrs. Waldren from the Clinic. It was a real facility. Loved the scene when McG crashes the letter bomb through the window. It would be interesting experiment to see if that would go through the thick window. However, McG launched the letter bomb with great speed through the window. Difficult to replicate. JC

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Hi Mike,

I would give THE KAHUNA at least TWO STARS for the score by Mort Stevens - the show may be bad, but it can be tolerated by listening to the score - just my thoughts:)


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I just watched To hell with Babe Ruth, UGH! But then I thought about which other shows are really bad.

I now think When will a war end? is probably the worst show. A bird in hand is stupid, but at least you can laugh at it. The Moroville covenant is also VERY, VERY BAD.

Interesting, of the 0.5 STAR episodes, 6 of them are in the 12th season. School for assassins should probably be a BOMB, aside from Pamela Shoop in a bikini. The same argument might be made for The kahuna, with Cathy Lee Crosby similarly attired.

0.5 STARS
To die in paradise
Deadly courier
Though the heavens fall
Sign of the ram
Voice of terror
School for assassins
The golden noose
The Moroville covenant

BOMB
To hell with Babe Ruth
When will a war end?
The kahuna
Clash of shadows
A bird in hand


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Ringfire - thanks! This reminds me a lot of the other fandom I'm fairly active in and I can tell you, I felt welcome from the start! :)

Mr. Mike - you are amazing!! This is some fabulous trivia you're finding and I love what Beth wrote up about the legalities in Five-O.

Great job as always and I, for one, am glad. :)


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I am going thru this folder of H50 trivia in my mail program and found this very long comment, seemingly taken from some H50 mailing list called HAWAIIFIVE0-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM (does anyone remember what that was all about, I don't think it was the one at Yahoo) about the episode Along Came Joey...

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The final draft for "Along Came Joey" was titled "Golden Boy With Black Trunks." A few of the differences between the script and the actual show:

The Kalama family is supposed to be more obviously Hawaiian. Frank de Kova, who played Phil Kalama, the cop father of the dead boxer, certainly didn't look Hawaiian, so this angle was lost. And the script has references to "our people" and to "big kahuna" legend that were dropped from the show. The father is also a more sympathetic character in the script, a likable man who becomes driven by grief. As de Kova played him, he was pretty unemotional and rather pig-headed. There's a scene - maybe Fam Chan cut it or maybe it just wasn't filmed - where he stands at his son's new grave and McGarrett comforts him.

Lois, Joey's girlfriend, was nicer in the script, not the ambiguous, cool character we saw. As written, there was no doubt she cared for Joey, and when she left Morgan's boat she was supposed to tell him she'd like to see him again so she could "spit in his face." And when she tells McGarrett "I killed Joey", she was supposed to bury her face in her hands and sob. When she tells McGarrett that she and Joey were planning to get married and she says "That rock you a little, McGarrett?", his classic, waveable comeback - "Nothing rocks me anymore, honey" - is not in the script.

When Kalama has his fatal encounter with Keller on the staircase outside the apartment building, we saw Keller fall over a railing and plunge to his death. The script simply called for him to fall down a long flight of stairs.

The script called for the final scene to take place in a half-built warehouse-type building rather than outdoors. When McGarrett is trying to talk Kalama out of shooting Morgan, Kalama was to have said to McGarrett "The devils are riding the world again and no big kahuna can pray this one away." McG replies "You pull that trigger again and those devils will dance on your grave and Joey's forever." A bit later McG tells him that if he pulls the trigger again he'll blow the image of law and order for all cops and "there will be nothing but devils dancing on the souls of all of us."

The last line in the show we saw was spoken by McGarrett, when he tells Kalama that his son made a crooked deal and he has to learn to deal with it. This line came earlier in the script, when McG was still trying to talk him out of pulling the trigger. In the script, Kalama gets the last word. They are walking out of the building "into the light" and, incredibly, he says "A contender...he could have been a contender." The author must have been a fan of "On The Waterfront"!

Finally, the script had MAY!! A number of early-season scripts have more May scenes than we ever saw. I think she was originally envisioned as a much more integral part of the Five-0 team than she turned out to be. In this script, after the boat scene with Lois and Morgan but before the next scene showing a guy who has broken into Lois's apartment and is fiddling with her shower (??), there was supposed to be a scene of McGarrett in his office in the middle of the night, with his jacket off, his collar open, his tie askew. He's obviously tired from working so late on the case. May is also working late, and she comes in and they talk a bit, and he calls her "luv" a couple times. They take turns staring out the window into the night - her first, then him. Later on, in the scene where Elroy is being questioned in McGarrett's office and he eventually admits to killing Joey, May was supposed come in to read back the other bad guy's statement, and she was also supposed to take Elroy's statement. In the filmed version, Danno did all this. McG also called her "luv" again in this scene.

My theory: the actress was so overwhelmed every time Gorgeous Jack called her "luv" she couldn't remember her lines and they had to let her go.


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Bobbi, I could have sworn you’ve been posting here for years. Didn’t know you only became a fan last year. Welcome aboard and aloha!

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Hi Mike,

Just a quick shout out to you to say a BIG MAHALO for including the wonderful music cues for the revised A THOUSAND PARDONS review.

This is a great score by Mort and we can only hope that this will some day see the light of day on a CD release.

In the meantime, I will enjoy what you put together, as I know it took a lot of effort on your part to do it.

Thanks again, my friend!


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This is an interesting discussion of constitutional rights posted by Beth A. Fox (are you still around, Beth?) in the Usenet group alt.fan.hawaii-five-o in October, 1997…

In the first few seasons of Hawaii Five-O, the team routinely committed violations of Miranda (advising suspects in custody of their constitutional rights before questioning them), Massiah (right to counsel), and search and seizure law. Let's take these one by one; then I'll give my thoughts as to WHY the writers were so sloppy.

Miranda. Sometimes it seems as if McGarrett had never heard of the case, although the Supreme Court had decided it in 1966 -- two years before "Hawaii Five-O" hit the airwaves. I can't count the number of times he'd question in-custody suspects (those who are "not free to leave") without first reading them their rights.

Sometimes (this started in the middle of the first season) we hear McGarrett remind suspects -- after questioning them -- that "they've been apprised of their constitutional rights" and McGarrett wants the suspects to acknowledge that. Examples of this tactic are found in "And They Painted Daisies . . ." (when McGarrett questions Ann in the hospital as she's going through withdrawal) and "Pray Love Remember" (when McGarrett makes the boyfriend sign a waiver after the questioning is over.) What an insane tactic! Suppose the suspects deny that they've been read their rights, then what?

Of course, as you know, Miranda does not apply where the suspects are not in custody in any sense; thus, it was perfectly appropriate for McGarrett to question Bobby Rand's girlfriend over a drink in "No Blue Skies," and Professor David Stone in "Up Tight" (now, there's a guy who knew his rights.)

With respect to the revolutionaries in "The Young Assassins," I, like you, was aghast at the questioning. By Season Seven, McGarrett has learned to read suspects their rights, but seems to ignore the suspects when they invoke. You are right that once the PAG members invoked their Miranda rights, McGarrett should have ceased questioning them. Anything they say after invoking will be suppressed, as well as any evidence that is found as a result of the tainted confession (the "fruit of the poisonous tree".)

Worse, from my point of view, was the questioning itself. Why didn't McGarrett question each PAG member separately? It is clear to me that one of them would have cracked -- and fast. Finally, why bring Manicote to this disaster? Obviously, Manicote isn't keeping his investigating officer on the right legal track (the ostensible purpose for having a DA involved in the investigation.) Moreover, if it is later found that Manicote messed up, the Governor will probably hit the ceiling, remove Manicote from the case and appoint the attorney general.

Right to counsel. When suspects are represented by counsel, they may not be questioned outside the presence of their attorney. The Five-O team dislikes lawyers (who doesn't?) so they "will the impossible" -- i.e., make the lawyers disappear by ignoring them -- even when the suspects ARE ALREADY REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL.

On this issue, Danno was the worst offender. In "Force of Waves," Danno has Mrs. Sloan brought in for questioning. Mrs. Sloan states that she wants to wait for her lawyer (a man Danno KNOWS is representing her, because he met the guy already.) Nevertheless, Danno plunges in. Mrs. Sloan again states that she wants to wait for her attorney. Danno keeps going. When the lawyer finally arrives, he has every right to be ticked off at the worst violation of the right to counsel since Gideon v. Wainwright.

But Steve McGarrett has problems, too. Jo-Louise Mailer was represented by counsel in "The Joker's Wild, Man, Wild"; she also asked to speak with her attorney; yet McGarrett continued to question her. (I do note that in that case, there was an emergency--someone was about to be killed--so, "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.")

Search and seizure violations are routine on Five-O, although they are less common as the series goes on. The warrantless and impermissible searches (i.e., Danno's search of the locker in "A Bullet for McGarrett") seem to give way as time goes on to searches that may be warrantless, but are permitted exceptions (i.e., where there are arguably "exigent circumstances" -- like Eddie Joseph's room in "I'll Kill 'Em Again"; or when in "hot pursuit" (many instances.))

So why did this happen? I think that part of the reason is that, for about a decade, starting in the early sixties, the Supreme Court kept changing the law quickly and dramatically. No sooner had police officers assimilated Mapp v. Ohio (search and seizure--1961) than they were hit with Massiah (right to counsel--1964) Escobedo (1964) and Miranda (1966.) TV writers who had cut their teeth on "Perry Mason" or "The Detectives" probably could not assimilate all of the changes. Or maybe it was just wishful thinking: "let's show crime-fighting the way it ought to be, without these pesky legal stumbling blocks."

The Five-O writers were not alone in this; most shows of the era have similar problems. There is one exception: Jack Webb. He did it right -- all the time. His sets were EXACT replicas of LAPD stations, his actors dressed exactly like LAPD officers (with real LAPD badges), the cases were based on LAPD files; and the new victim's rights laws they featured on Adam-12 in fact had just been enacted in California. More to the point, the procedure they all followed was exactly "by the book"; the second after Kent McCord slaps handcuffs on a suspect (behind the back, of course) you hear "You have the right to remain silent . . . " And damn, in the one episode of Adam-12 where they showed a preliminary hearing, the objections were the exact same ones I always heard as a prosecutor.

Of course, you pay a price for this: "Dragnet" and "Adam-12" had more than a little LAPD input, and Webb had to slant the shows in a certain direction. For example, although no Dragnet episode featured the Watts riot that had devasted Los Angeles in 1965, a 1968 episode of Dragnet bragged about how the LAPD had PREVENTED a riot after the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Overall, Five-O writers told engaging and interesting stories. I am willing to ignore a few violations of constitutional rights (in fiction only!) in order to move the story along. Frankly, let them break down the occasional door -- it's more fun that way. But the constant violations of constitutional rights (in practically every episode) are just inexcusable, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY CAN EASILY BE FIXED. For example, Danno can just say he had a warrant for the locker; Mrs. Sloan's goofball attorney can sit in on the questioning "like a potted plant"; McGarrett can stop questioning the PAG after they invoked Miranda (as I recall, they didn't say anything anyway.)

The above came in response to a message from someone named Capelto as follows (I don't think this was on Usenet):

Let me open up the legal nitpicking to our good friend and colleague Beth/Cinnamon, with regard to the two revolutionaries invoking their Miranda rights in the interrogation room. Yet McGarrett and the D.A. continue to question them, threaten them with jail time, etc. Don't you think all statements after the suspects invoked Miranda would be suppressed?

Incidentally, having just seen Along Came Joey on Sunday night, we see an even more egregious example of McGarrett's practice of continually trying to break down suspects after they have either requested a lawyer or invoked their right to remain silent. In that episode, McGarrett and Danno use the old "good cop, bad cop" routine combined with playing the two suspects against each other. This is just the sort of thing criminal lawyers will advise their clients about.

I do recall one earlier episode in which a (slimy) criminal defense attorney comes charging into McGarrett's office and tells McGarrett "No questions" when his client is being questioned. But that's pretty rare in the show, isn't it?


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Ringfire, the tire tread business in A Thousand Pardons is not some "small thing." It is an incorrect plot detail that seriously affects everything that follows. There are many examples of this kind of mistake in the new H50.

As I suggested, it is quite possible that McGarrett is just bluffing -- let's face it, cops engage in this kind of deception often -- but if that is the case, why didn't Sims just respond words to the effect "You are full of crap, McGarrett, that piece of tread is not from my Jeep. If there was such a huge piece off my Jeep's tires, how could I have driven back to the base? Why don't we go to the car pool and see right now?"

I think that there was enough "cut the show some slack" stuff in the first season, much of which I ignored when I watched the episodes again recently, and we are now in the second season ... though what follows A Thousand Pardons is one of the worst shows ever!


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Ringfire - you make me laugh!

You're right - she's exactly like that! I used to be like that - I hope not quite that bad. Granted, I had just received copies of episodes of my favorite show after not seeing it for 14 years, many moons ago. The time I realized I wasn't the only fan out there and that was huge.


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I do! No, total typo - I'm an idiot sometimes ;)

Should be 2017!!! :D


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Wow, Bobbi! 2107? You have a DeLorean or something?

Seriously, the way the woman gushes about the new episode reminds me of a little girl where every new thing is, like, the greatest thing EVER! The dog Eddie makes an appearance and that’s, like, the greatest and cutest thing EVER! Tani watching the men dig is, like, the hottest thing EVER! The McDanno apartment-gument was, like, the best one EVER! I have a feeling if someone had farted it would have been, like, the greatest fart EVER!


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I can do you one better Ringfire - I didn't get hooked on Five-O until the Fall of 2107 -- how bad is that!? I remember watching it with my dad during the later part of the original run but for whatever reason it didn't hook me in until recently. I chalk it up to having more life experience under my belt compared to when I was 8-10 years old. ;) Because of that, I am able to pick up some of the finesse and nuances that I didn't pick up before. The other issue, the episodes are rewatchable and I don't think that's the case with the reboot. I could be wrong and to each their own. People like what they like but yeah, the gushing is a bit overboard.

:!cool:


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What’s crazy is that Linda character who wrote that Cocoon review is 58 years old, yet gushes over Alex and the show like a 16 year old! :!wondering: I didn’t know women in their 50s acted this way or even cared for the new show. She says she was only 8 in 1968 when the original premiered and thus never cared for the original show. Well, guess what? I wasn’t even a glimmer in anyone’s eye at the time. I was born at the end of 1980 when MAGNUM debuted its pilot and FIVE-O had already finished its run. Yet that didn’t stop me from becoming a huge fan of the show later on in reruns. Since I’m much younger than her (by a whole 20 years) I shouldn’t like the original and should love the new one, right? You would think. But no, because to me the new one lacks quality and the old one does. I just can’t understand someone who grew up in the 60s and 70s liking modern shows. I just wonder what she watched when she was growing up. Did she not watch any TV back then and was only exposed to it when Five-Zero came out, causing her to think this is the best stuff since sliced bread? I understand that millenials only know what’s current and trendy and don’t remember or care about old shows. I give them a pass. But surely someone in their 50s remembers great shows of yesterday and would not so easily be impressed by flashy stuff of today. One would think anyway.

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In the words of the original Higgins, "Oh My God!"

The last paragraph on the second link has me - dumbstruck. Wha...What? The "best show on television" wouldn't be except for what came before. Sure, Lenkov could have made the same show and given it any title, except he chose Five-Zero. So here we are.

For the record, I wanted to like the reboot. They just didn't suck me in with the pilot. Should I have tried other episodes? Sure - and I have. Not that Five-Zero doesn't have its good moments, it does. There just isn't enough there for me. Meanwhile, the more I watch the original, the more layers I find to uncover. It's definitely fun.


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https://h50koolaid.wordpress.com/2018/09/30/h50-review-welcome-to-season-9-9-01-ka-ʻowili-ʻokai-cocoon-season-premiere/

(The motto of this site is "Surfing the wave on the positive side!")

When I first heard H50 was going to be retelling the original 1968 Pilot story of Hawaii Five-O, I was excited mostly because I absolutely loved their previous effort with S3E15 "Hookman", and not because I remembered the original episode. I was eight years old when the original H5O debuted and, as you all know, it was not a show I cared for, throughout its 12-year run. So, the same way I went back and watched the original "Hookman" back in Season 3, I went to CBS All Access to check out the original "Cocoon."

[She didn't watch the original pilot, she watched the two-part version. See my post from September 06 2018 08:14:56 AM]

I have to say, just like with "Hookman", I liked the current iteration of this episode so much more than the original. The original was a two hour/double episode and with the number of commercials in 1968 being significantly less than they are today, that left a lot of time to fill. So, there's a lot in the 1968 version which, while great for 1968, just wasn't needed in 2018. I think Peter Lenkov did a fantastic job of taking Leonard Freeman's original story and pruning out what was unnecessary for 2018 while keeping the essence of the story totally and lovingly intact. You can feel the reverence Peter has for the original story in all the ways this version mirrors the original. The way Steve kneels over the body of the victim at the beach, the reconstruction of the cocoon with its adjacent lab, the burned pieces of paper containing the clues, much verbatim dialog, and on and on.

I also love how he updated the story and to allow the entire team to be fully involved in the investigation of the murder of CIA Agent Tom Hennessey, an old friend of Steve's. Danny, Tani, Junior, Lou and Jerry are front and center in numerous scenes at HQ and around the magic table. As I noted in a previous blog, the original "Cocoon" was pretty much the "Jack Lord" show. Danny, Chin and Kono were in the episode, of course, and were part of the investigation but the vast portion of screen time was centered around only McGarrett.

[From the end]

And there you have it. A perfect season premiere containing everything we love about this show. Peter wrote a fantastic script, taking all the best elements of the original and making it ever better by utilizing every member of the team to their best advantage. He also set up stories to move forward into the season.

[...]

Peter: You did Mr. Freeman proud! Cocoon was awesome! What a great job you did getting two hours down to one and the team involvement was perfect. And thank you for all the Steve and Danny time! Always the best part of H50. Great start to what's sure to be a great season!

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The above is nothing, though. Check out this:

http://www.tvandweekends.com/2018/10/02/the-hawaii-five-0-legacy-1968-2018/


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Mike, thanks for the Emmy-winning Morton Stevens score for "A Thousand Pardons". I look forward to my 2 favorite Richard Shores scores from season 2 - "Forty Feet High" and "Bullet for McG". Huge fan of "Singapore File" too - a mix of Shores and Stevens!

I agree that the tire tread that McG produces for Simms doesn't make sense. Are we to assume that as Simms was circling aggressively around Watanu in his Jeep a piece of tire just peeled off? That sounds unlikely. And if it did peel off would the Jeep still be in a drivable condition? Highly unlikely, unless he drove on just a partial tire and rim. An impression/cast of the tire would have made much more sense. Still an excellent episode and I wouldn't lower it by half a star for this small thing (not sure if that's why you lowered your rating).


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